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2024 US Election thread

lizkat said:
What Trump said --yeah, actually said-- regarding Liz Cheney: "Let's put her with a rifle standing there with 9 barrels shooting at her. Let's see how she feels about it. You know, when the guns are trained on her face."

Yeah. No one is saying he didn't say that.

Forget about the fact that in video of the event at that point, one can hear some people laughing in response.

Maybe some of them were laughing uneasily. How an audience reacts is hardly relevant.

Trump is not president at the moment. Good time to arrest him for inciting violence.
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Context makes is slightly less bad.

”She’s a radical war-hawk. Let’s put her with the rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her. Let’s see how she feels about it, you know when the guns are trained in her face.”

Sure, given his history of stochastic terrorism etc etc, that context does not really provide a valid defense.
 
By now you’ve probably heard that Julia Roberts shot an ad for Kamala Harris telling women that no matter whether their husbands tell them to do, their vote in the voting booth is secret and they can vote for whomever they want.

I suspected Republicans wouldn’t be happy about the ad, but I had no idea they were going to crap their pants so much over it.

The gist of what they’re saying to the media is, how dare Democrats tell wives that they are allowed to vote differently from their husbands? That’s just lying!

(GOP weasel Newt) Gingrich claimed the message was symptomatic of the Democrats’ amorality. “And the more you watch them, to say, ‘Oh, why don’t you lie to your husband?’ as a publicly advocated ad? That is sick!” he told Fox News’ Sean Hannity. “And I think we ought to have the courage to say this is a sick, dishonest party.”
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“In the one place in America where women still have a right to choose, you can vote any way you want and no one will ever know,” says Roberts, the Oscar-winning actor.
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Prompted by Hannity, Gingrich went off on the ad.
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“These people are dishonest,” he said. “... And so, for them to tell people to lie is just one further example of the depth of their corruption. I mean, how do you run a country where you’re walking around saying, ‘Wives should lie to their husbands, husbands should lie to their wives?’”
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Just wow. 🤦 The soul of the Republican Party is now so black that voting your conscience is a bad thing? And you should have to follow your husband‘s lead in determining whom to vote for?

Just wow.

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Newt Gingrich Calls Julia Roberts Voting Ad 'Sick' And You May Not Believe Why — HuffPost

The former speaker raged on Fox News over a commercial narrated by the Oscar-winning star.
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Pumbaa said:
Oh yes. He put her in a ”certain death” situation rather than just the frontline to make an anti-war point. No accident.
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Well also Donald Trump's occasional "anti-war" spiels have so many holes in them. Not all the mainstream media bother pointing out his inconsistencies any more. His own most macho moments in the White House gave agita to a lot of his NatSec and military advisors. He still talks macho sh^t about how he'd manage things if he lands back in the Oval. His rhetoric about how to deal with Mexico's drug cartels has become more violent ever since that country elected a female president.

Trump may think of himself as anti-war with respect to his lean towards whatever Putin has in mind for Ukraine. His idea of how to end that conflict run to "Here, take it and we'll stop helping them peg stuff at your guys." Western allies certainly have other views on a wrap to that unlawful invasion and the subsequent destruction of civilian infrastructure and noncombatants.

Trump may also have put us in long term if unpredictable risk over his decision to assassinate Iran's Qassim Soleimani when the guy was on Iraqi soil and had been invited there by the Iraqi government. It's not like we offed some paramilitary unit's courier. The guy was a popular leader and right hand man to the ayatollah. Despite the fact that he ran terrorist operations, our action at that time and place was the equivalent of some rogue nation assassinating a special envoy from either our department of state or defense. It's "not done" by countries still subscribing to norms and laws of international conduct.

We also don't know how Trump's public taunts of North Korea's Kim Jong Un may have embedded themselves into NK's plans for our future. North Korean strategy and its possible evolution over time remain mostly a black box to the USA. Trump acted like it was all more like a video game while he traded tweets with Kim, and he was into, well, fantasies about so much winning with his "bigger button that actually works" line of remarks.

He doesn't acknowledge that anyone else can affect outcomes of disruptive events on the world stage. Yeah we could lay waste to the Korean peninsula, pre-emptively or in swift and effective retaliation. South Korea would end up destroyed, And then also, in the blink of an eye,,,, what from China and maybe Russia. These days our relationships to and in China are more strained than back when the world hoped Xi would be inclined and able to tell NK to shut up and sit down already. And our relationship to Putin's Russia is what I would call unstable in the run-up to US elections.

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Trump Suggests Training Guns on Liz Cheney’s Face

“Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, okay?”
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Yet some voters may go to the polls without a firm grasp of his rhetorical record. Trump makes so many outrageous remarks that keeping track of them all is difficult, and some parts of the press persist in toning down even his most dangerous comments. The headline in The New York Times on Trump’s Cheney remarks as of this writing was “Trump Attacks Liz Cheney Using Violent War Imagery,” which is not strictly false but misses the point.
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In these comments, Trump flagrantly displayed his hypocrisy. Although the former president has remade himself as a putative dove, he once backed some of the same conflicts that Cheney did, including the war in Iraq. And although he claims he wants to avoid foreign adventurism, he spent his first term in office being talked out of attacking Venezuela, North Korea, and Syria’s Bashar al-Assad, among others. He and his allies are now proposing that the U.S. military launch attacks on cartels inside Mexico.
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So if Trump wins, both Elon Musk and RFK Jr. will be in positions of federal power. Just think about that.

Almost makes me want to vote.

(Just kidding, I did). 🙂
 
TBL said:
So if Trump wins, both Elon Musk and RFK Jr. will be in positions of federal power. Just think about that.

Almost makes me want to vote.

(Just kidding, I did). 🙂
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The Republicans are in disarray in their continuing descent to total dissolution. DDD! A program!

There's no telling in advance how a Trump 2.0 admin would shake out. People got kinda tired of Trump's workaround of using "acting deputy" agency heads to give him "more flexibility" while he was in office. The loyalists he picked for such posts were often clueless about how to work with other agencies to the benefit of the country. No surprise there since that was not their or Trump's goal anyway. However, that was part of the reason they weren't confirmable in the eyes of the Senate.

Going forward in event of a GOP administration, the Senate --even a narrow majority Republican Senate-- is not likely to confirm some of the people the Project 2025 zealots want to install, and a lot of those posts do require confirmation. Some assignments don't though, and those are problematic if the GOP takes the White House.

Trump seems more and more unlikely to be able to finish a term; he's really unraveling, so we'd be looking at Vance and his picks after some period of turmoil and Trump stepping down or being removed.

Vance is inexperienced at actual governance including legislative process, and so is vulnerable to manipulation same as Trump was. The greater danger is that this time around fewer of the people around a President Vance would be novices at governance, which was the way things started out in 2017. This time the prospective inner circle would be bunch of seasoned hard right operators. They mean to be Trump's (or, Vance's) minder, not as protectors of the fragmented and failing Republican Party, but of their own agenda, and the Project 2025 document is not a joke to them.

I sure God hope Harris manages to land in the Oval Office with a convincing electoral and pop vote.
 
With Donald Trump turning the office of POTUS into a Shit Show, is it more alarming watching the Garbage Scow dump his garbage on America or the thousands of citizens who endorse corruption ,incompetence, and the end of democracy as we know it? 😔

 
Soo daily early election data update. First the disclaimers: a lot of the data on the NBS site about party registration is imputed, and as such, probably garbage, so I'll only use that data where state registries are public. Gender data is public throughout so I guess that might be more reliable...

Thus far:
In MI with about 3M votes to go, Harris is leading based on voter gender data, but may still lose if trumpists show up at the promised rate they would.
In WI with about 2.2M votes to go, Harris is again leading based on gender data (by ~130K), but again may lose by the same margin if Trumpists show up at their promised rates
In GA, based on gender data with an already 55% turnout and about 1.5M voters to go , Harris again leading by a narrow margin extrapolated by gender based data (~40K lead), but behind based on public registration data (-80K). True tossup, but given the presence of GenZ and young Milleninial votes being high, it may indeed go for Harris.
PA data is worthless.

With this much early votes accumulated, I doubt we'll see any relevant shift anywhere before election day. It will boil down to enthusiasm. If Trumpists show up even at a slightly lesser rate on election day than they promised, it's over.
 
Whether Trump wins or loses, this is the last time we'll ever see him run. He's been running for president for the better part of 9 years. Enjoy it while it lasts. Truly the end of an era. 🙁
 
TBL said:
Whether Trump wins or loses, this is the last time we'll ever see him run. He's been running for president for the better part of 9 years. Enjoy it while it lasts. Truly the end of an era. 🙁
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Nah, he might run for mayor of NYC. His platform “I can’t be worse than Eric Adams, right?”
 
TBL said:
Whether Trump wins or loses, this is the last time we'll ever see him run. He's been running for president for the better part of 9 years. Enjoy it while it lasts. Truly the end of an era. 🙁
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I do hope we'll see something that looks like a glimpse of an upcoming end to the Trump era.

However, I had thought it was the beginning of the end of the Trump era when he lost the 2020 election. I was so excited when the Biden/Harris ticket won.

Heh. Silly me. I'm sure Trump got more wall to wall coverage from 2021 through yesterday afternoon than Joe Biden's administration has ever even hoped to receive. It's part of the reason few people had tracked the growth of Kamala Harris as a competent public servant while serving as our Vice President. The media mainly reported Trump's take on Harris only whenever he remarked on (or... invented) something she had officially done or said as VP. Most news about her ended up filtered through the lens of Fox News and its bubble-wrap of Donald Trump.

Personally I half fear if Trump's got enough marbles left and is still wearing street clothes in 2028, he'll run as a third party candidate, doddering and drooling or propped up by wonder drugs. It would be just like him to seek a final "revenge" on a party that (despite all its self-harming support of him) he regards instead as perpetually about to betray him "again".

It's like the guy has never left public office. It's like he's a back bencher, say a minority leader in a legislature... only the way the press salivates for the next Trump shoe to drop, they've effectively made Biden the backbencher for the entirety of Joe's term in the Oval.

Even when Biden has been criticized by the press, the accounts invariably reference Trump somehow, and often, so do the headlines.

Compare and contrast to any coverage of Trump that has always included references to GW Bush or to Obama. Yeah, no. Crickets. See Trump broke the norms of the presidency and then of former presidents as well. Radio silence had been the norm for the latter. Trump doesn't do radio silence. The press shrugged and has kept Trump's name in the headlines as if he's a USA co-president or maybe a nonexistent chairman of the board.

Trump's attempt to overturn his 2020 loss , the violent insurrection (a spectacle that rivaled blockbuster movies), the seemingly everlasting set of sequels focused on Trump, his social media posts, behavior of his fans, his sycophants in the press, his perceived enemies, lawyers, former aides, family, inner circle of golfing buddies!, have all got Trump-centric media attention regardless of whether a given day's events had offered worthy competition for above-the-fold reporting or it was a day where you could think the whole world overslept. Could always tell the latter when something about one of Biden's dogs made the front page instead of another bump for Hunter Biden's laptop.

Half the country (no, way more than half the country) doesn't have a clue what Joe Biden has done while President except for whatever negative references Trump and the GOP have splashed out for amplification by the media.

Place yer bets now on whether a President Harris can land news coverage that doesn't highlight questions or reports about what Donald Trump thinks of her every move.

Will that ever end? Not while his fans still regard his whole schtick as a grandly entertaining reality show. Not while the media can still get thousands of clicks per minute by sticking the word Trump in a headline. Not while his supporters and opponents will all help supply those clicks.

Don't get me wrong. I hope you're right. If Trump loses this election, the thoroughly brain-damaged Republican Party could put paid to his further consideration as even "a party elder" never mind a sidelined nominal leader. They'll be free at last to ask themselves how the heck to regroup into a viable political party. That in itself would be a worthy subject for press coverage. I just don't think the media will detox from its Trump obsession very quickly, especially since he has criminal charges pending.
 
Another twofer

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First about that video I should make clear that X has been asked to take it down YESTERDAY. I found it 5 minutes ago. One reason for the video being up is that a certain dork maga lord asked for people to post videos like such in a community area. You can already see where this is going...

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In a video posted to X on Thursday, a man claiming to be a Haitian immigrant says he's already voted for Vice President Harris in Gwinnett County, Ga., and is headed to vote again in nearby Fulton County. Seated in what appears to be in a van next to another purported Haitian immigrant, he says they arrived in the U.S. six months ago and have already become American citizens.

State and federal officials say the video was likely created by Russian propagandists trying to undermine confidence in the election.

"This is obviously fake and part of a disinformation effort. Likely it is a production of Russian troll farms," Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said on Thursday. On Friday, federal officials weighed in, saying they also believe the video was "manufactured" by Russian influence actors.

"This Russian activity is part of Moscow's broader effort to raise unfounded questions about the integrity of the U.S. election and stoke divisions among Americans," the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the FBI and the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency said in a joint statement.

The video is the latest hoax that researchers say matches the output of a Russian operation known as Storm-1516, which they say is pumping out a steady stream of phony material in the final days of voting. The operation is known for producing staged videos that it launders through online influencers and sham news outlets. It has been tied by Clemson University to the notorious Russian "troll factory" that targeted the 2016 presidential election.
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In just the past two weeks, researchers at Clemson and Microsoft have linked Storm-1516 to a fake video purporting to show ballots marked for former President Donald Trump being destroyed in Pennsylvania and baseless accusations against Democratic vice presidential nominee Tim Walz. Federal officials also attributed those videos to Russia.

"Immediately I was suspicious of this [Georgia] video, just when I saw the style and production value," said Darren Linvill, co-director of Clemson University's Media Forensics Hub, which first identified the Storm-1516 operation last year.

The subject matter also matches the Russian tactic of amplifying existing divisive narratives to American voters, he said.

"This is connecting to existing stories that are being told about the Haitian community, about immigrants being used for voting," Linvill said. "The Russians understand these schisms, and they use those schisms to spread their messages."
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The account that Linvill identified as the first to share the video on X has since deleted it. In a direct message exchange with NPR, the person running the account wrote, "I took it down because I wasn't sure if it was 100% accurate and I don't want to be liable for misinformation."

It's not clear exactly how the fake Georgia video reached this X account. The account told NPR it saw the video on Telegram, but did not respond to follow-up questions.

The video has continued to spread widely on social media, primarily X, spurring Raffensperger to call publicly on X owner Elon Musk and leaders of other platforms to take it down.

"X found these posts to be violative of our Civic Integrity Policy and we are taking action against the posts," a spokesperson for X said. Another X account that posted the Georgia video, which has also posted other content connected to Storm-1516, has been suspended.

Facebook is putting labels on the video informing users that U.S. intelligence officials have said it was manufactured by Russian influence actors.
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The video is literally a stew of created repub fears. Haitians, illegals supposedly getting citizenship & IDs in just months, Georgia ( where 45 is still crying about ), and "rampant" multiple voting for dems.
 
2. This one is a bit dicier...

Every minority group has done this. I still have an issue with Tesla not because of it's head, but the stories of the fostered racism in some of their plants. It's this element that seems to have led some groups to support 45, knowing full well how racist he's been. They've seen what we saw with 45 & the Haitian community, but...



You thought at any point, you were on the "right side of history" before?! DaFUCK?!!!

This is the kind of shit that makes me go

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You were on board with that orange MFer, when he went after others? It took him showing his ass like he's always done towards you, THEN it was a deal breaker FOR YOU?

This MFer you were riding with?

This one?

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DAMN!!! Talk about voting against your best interests!
 
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