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2024 US Election thread

lizkat said:
I'm waiting to see who gets pardoned for 1/6 convictions. It's been awhile since I got riled up enough to go down to DC for a protest but I'm not gonna say "never again" quite yet.
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I think they'll get the broadest most blanket pardon he could. Just think about it, Democrats have been targets of intimidation campaigns through and through, but Republicans aren't used to being targeted the same way. And the pardons will buy loyalty for Trump tightening his grip over Congress. Musk might have the world's largest troll farm, also known as Xitter, and Trump will have an actual criminal army. Which will make it pretty interesting when the two will decide to clash.

While we are waiting, we can indulge in Silicon Valley's Gavin Belson moments...the only thing has a chance to compete with the level of nazissism we'll be exposed to in 2025.
 
P___X said:
I think they'll get the broadest most blanket pardon he could. Just think about it, Democrats have been targets of intimidation campaigns through and through, but Republicans aren't used to being targeted the same way. And the pardons will buy loyalty for Trump tightening his grip over Congress. Musk might have the world's largest troll farm, also known as Xitter, and Trump will have an actual criminal army. Which will make it pretty interesting when the two will decide to clash.

While we are waiting, we can indulge in Silicon Valley's Gavin Belson moments...the only thing has a chance to compete with the level of nazissism we'll be exposed to in 2025.
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I think about the corporations who within a week of January 6, 2021 pledged their preference for democracy and so either to abandon political donations or else not to give any more money to any of the 147 members of Congress who had voted to deny certification of the 2020 election of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

Some kept their promise. Many have broken it. To me the latter corporations are complicit in the slide of the USA towards a fascist government. That's different to shelling out $5k or $1 million hoping to influence regulatory legislation. I may not like the transactionalism in general, but specifically I loathe the fact that some companies figure that behavior of legislators in 2021 is well in the rear view now, and what matters is any upcoming legislation.

So far the most ridiculous public justification for returning to transactional politics as usual would appear to be that of Amazon, which noted in 2022 that "it's been over 21 months." Of course they'd left some wiggle room in their original statement, saying they'd review their donations on a case by case basis.

popular.info

10 corporations that kept their promises after January 6, 2021

After a violent mob stormed the Capitol building on January 6, 2021, hundreds of corporations took action to communicate to the public that democracy itself was more important than maximizing their political influence.
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As for the Congress critters involved in objecting to the 2020 certification, only one has so far stated publicly any regret for voting to overturn the Biden-Harris election. Thanks to the prevalence of incumbency in the House, most of them are still seated even now, in the 119th Congress that just swore an oath last Friday to uphold the US Constitution.

Talk is pretty cheap, eh? even if it still takes a lot of dough to land and then retain a House membership.

Still I wonder how corporations that initially expressed --in the language of money-- their revulsion over the 1/6/21 insurrection might react now to the idea of Trump pardoning convicted insurrectionists. They might do well to recall that back in December, over 60% of Americans disfavored that idea.
 
lizkat said:
I think about the corporations who within a week of January 6, 2021 pledged their preference for democracy and so either to abandon political donations or else not to give any more money to any of the 147 members of Congress who had voted to deny certification of the 2020 election of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

Some kept their promise. Many have broken it. To me the latter corporations are complicit in the slide of the USA towards a fascist government. That's different to shelling out $5k or $1 million hoping to influence regulatory legislation. I may not like the transactionalism in general, but specifically I loathe the fact that some companies figure that behavior of legislators in 2021 is well in the rear view now, and what matters is any upcoming legislation.

So far the most ridiculous public justification for returning to transactional politics as usual would appear to be that of Amazon, which noted in 2022 that "it's been over 21 months." Of course they'd left some wiggle room in their original statement, saying they'd review their donations on a case by case basis.

popular.info

10 corporations that kept their promises after January 6, 2021

After a violent mob stormed the Capitol building on January 6, 2021, hundreds of corporations took action to communicate to the public that democracy itself was more important than maximizing their political influence.
popular.info popular.info

As for the Congress critters involved in objecting to the 2020 certification, only one has so far stated publicly any regret for voting to overturn the Biden-Harris election. Thanks to the prevalence of incumbency in the House, most of them are still seated even now, in the 119th Congress that just swore an oath last Friday to uphold the US Constitution.

Talk is pretty cheap, eh? even if it still takes a lot of dough to land and then retain a House membership.

Still I wonder how corporations that initially expressed --in the language of money-- their revulsion over the 1/6/21 insurrection might react now to the idea of Trump pardoning convicted insurrectionists. They might do well to recall that back in December, over 60% of Americans disfavored that idea.
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If every single corporation kept their promises on this, the election deniers might not have had enough money to run again. So keeping the promise for 21 months is a joke. That’s less than one election cycle, so it had no effect!

Bottom line: we cannot rely on corporations to do anything except be greedy. If you have that expectation, you will never be disappointed.
 
Jay Mysteri0 said:


Well, that got dark.
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Yeah. On the merits he's not wrong. Thing is it's not just age, it's also (as he acknowledged), the idea of endless incumbency. It's that which eventually CREATES the problem of a geriatric legislature.

I'm over 80 and I don't think people my age should be in Congress even if they are mentally and physically fit for the task. There's a season for everything in nature. Outliers may be interesting but they are outliers. Usually the outliers in migrating robins or late-blooming portulaca come to a sorry end in my own neighborhood, for instance. Too much is finally demanded from them one chilly morning. How to lessen the equivalent outcome in Congress is up to younger voters, since enough older ones don't seem to mind keeping the (ever older!) devil they know in office.

But, If the younger generations of voters don't give enough of a damn to show up and toss the likes of Virginia Foxx (or Nancy Pelosi, for that matter) out of office, well... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Still, and regardless of the age issue, Congress wrongfoots itself all the time on both sides of the aisle by mouthing off about "the need for term limits" and then appealing to both corporate and grassroots donors to return them to office. Talk of term limits turns out to be just a feckless and insincere plea to "do to us what we don't have the will power to do to ourselves."

And, at state level where congressional districts are determined after federal census iterations, the antics pols go through trying to get district borders gerrymandered to protect incumbents have become a circus. The mapping issue routinely now lands in the courts. Politicization of district mapping has got so bad that the real contest becomes one of which party can load up the bench with more partisan judges, and whether enough lawsuits can be brought to delay decisions for so long that prior maps persist for one more round of the charade of voting to "throw the bums out" and ending up keeping the same old devil that had the chair last time. 🙄

Gotta love that fewer than 1 in 5 Americans respect Congress. How many of us look in the mirror and see ourselves in that frame? We PICK these guys by whether and how we exercise our votes.
 
lizkat said:
Yeah. On the merits he's not wrong. Thing is it's not just age, it's also (as he acknowledged), the idea of endless incumbency. It's that which eventually CREATES the problem of a geriatric legislature.

I'm over 80 and I don't think people my age should be in Congress even if they are mentally and physically fit for the task. There's a season for everything in nature. Outliers may be interesting but they are outliers. Usually the outliers in migrating robins or late-blooming portulaca come to a sorry end in my own neighborhood, for instance. Too much is finally demanded from them one chilly morning. How to lessen the equivalent outcome in Congress is up to younger voters, since enough older ones don't seem to mind keeping the (ever older!) devil they know in office.

But, If the younger generations of voters don't give enough of a damn to show up and toss the likes of Virginia Foxx (or Nancy Pelosi, for that matter) out of office, well... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Still, and regardless of the age issue, Congress wrongfoots itself all the time on both sides of the aisle by mouthing off about "the need for term limits" and then appealing to both corporate and grassroots donors to return them to office. Talk of term limits turns out to be just a feckless and insincere plea to "do to us what we don't have the will power to do to ourselves."

And, at state level where congressional districts are determined after federal census iterations, the antics pols go through trying to get district borders gerrymandered to protect incumbents have become a circus. The mapping issue routinely now lands in the courts. Politicization of district mapping has got so bad that the real contest becomes one of which party can load up the bench with more partisan judges, and whether enough lawsuits can be brought to delay decisions for so long that prior maps persist for one more round of the charade of voting to "throw the bums out" and ending up keeping the same old devil that had the chair last time. 🙄

Gotta love that fewer than 1 in 5 Americans respect Congress. How many of us look in the mirror and see ourselves in that frame? We PICK these guys by whether and how we exercise our votes.
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How many people have been whining that Trump won because Democratic politicians suck? So few people vote, but then they whine about the results! News flash: if more people got off their butts and voted, Trump would have lost again. But nope… complain about how Democrats didn’t buy you a pony instead, then cry about it for the next 4 years and blame everybody but oneself.

Zero sympathy for people who “protest voted” or stayed home and are now worried about Trump. They all had the power to stop this, and abdicated it instead.

Maybe somebody people will wake up and realize how powerful they truly are. The only ones who seem to realize it are the far-right crazies who NEVER miss an election.
 
Jay Mysteri0 said:


Well, that got dark.
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20 members of congress 80+ is a farce. I'm not sure I trust anyone in that age bracket to be healthy enough mentally and physically to serve. My grandmother (in her 90s) shakes her head at those beyond 70/75 serving in congress. She says only a narcissist would want to serve well beyond the typical retirement age.
 
A study from Northwestern University confirms something that many may have intuited before.

The less local news people got, the more likely they were to vote for Trump.

localnewsinitiative.northwestern.edu

In news deserts, Trump won in a landslide

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Donald Trump won the 2024 election with one of the smallest popular-vote margins in U.S. history, but in news deserts – counties lacking a professional source of local news – it was an avalanche. Trump won 91% percent of these counties over his Democratic rival, Kamala Harris, according to an analysis of voting data by Medill Journalism School’s State of Local News project.
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“The wrong way to interpret this is ‘Oh, the rubes voted for Trump because they’re uninformed,’” said Waldman, Report for America’s former president. He pointed out that Trump also increased his support in places with relatively robust local news.

Instead, Waldman said, the election results show “that some of the most common victims of the collapse of local news” are the same people who support Trump. They’re victims, he elaborated, because of all the documented consequences of life in a news desert: more political corruption, higher taxes, lower bond ratings, greater social alienation and rising misinformation, as well as the loss of social cohesion when subjects such as high school sports, local obits and community projects aren’t covered.

The upshot, Waldman said, is that conservative voters – the very ones Trump has targeted with his attacks on the press – “should be helping to lead the drive” to save local news.
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SouprMatt said:
A study from Northwestern University confirms something that many may have intuited before.

The less local news people got, the more likely they were to vote for Trump.

localnewsinitiative.northwestern.edu

In news deserts, Trump won in a landslide

localnewsinitiative.northwestern.edu localnewsinitiative.northwestern.edu
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"The upshot, Waldman said, is that conservative voters – the very ones Trump has targeted with his attacks on the press – “should be helping to lead the drive” to save local news."

Now how the fuck is expecting the same people who ban books to drive the return of local news coverage an "upshot"?😀
 
Remember Trump talking about lowering grocery prices? Seth Myers points out: he even went to the trouble of procuring props!



Just in case you were wondering why he’s REALLY talking about the Gulf of Mexico, Greenland, etc…It’s all to distract from the fact that he won’t do a single thing he promised during the campaign… You know, just like we’ve been saying for a decade!
 
SouprMatt said:
Remember Trump talking about lowering grocery prices? Seth Myers points out: he even went to the trouble of procuring props!



Just in case you were wondering why he’s REALLY talking about the Gulf of Mexico, Greenland, etc…It’s all to distract from the fact that he won’t do a single thing he promised during the campaign… You know, just like we’ve been saying for a decade!
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Man. I don't know if I can handle four years of journos still trying to sanewash Trump's public pronouncements. Only late night comics will be able to pull the veils off this stuff... if they have the nerve and the Supreme Court doesn't overturn the underpinnings of precedents used to protect a free press.
 
So I thought this raised an interesting point. I personally don't want to believe that 45 somehow won after all the crap that happened over the years, but I can believe some people will happily put back in a guy who fostered an insurrection. After all, we are country of second chances, so it at first you don't succeed... 🙄 But, if there was ever an occasion for opponents to scream "rigged", this was it. But they didn't. But they could have...



What's funny to me is that the side of screaming machines were rigged when their side lost, are now in the posts like, "voting machines rigged"

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Inauguration to take place in the rotunda of the Capitol instead of outdoors because of the cold weather.


Assorted other inaugural events apparently including a modified parade and the inaugural balls will be moved to the Capital One Arena.

So we will be spared discussion of how many "millions" or hundreds of thousands of people swarmed a Trump inauguration this time around. This time it will be about who was important enough to be squashed into the rotunda to see the swearing-in part of the festivities in person. I think the capacity is like 100 people.
 
Trump is so bent on revenge that Biden felt it necessary to pardon innocent people. This is to prevent farcical investigations into Dr. Fauci and General Milley. Their only crimes were being decent people who followed the science and the law.

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Biden pardons Fauci and Milley in an effort to guard against potential revenge by Trump

President Joe Biden has pardoned Dr. Anthony Fauci, retired Gen. Mark Milley and members of the House committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, using the extraordinary powers of his office in his final hours to guard against potential revenge by the incoming Trump...
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