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The Price of Gasolene

We had a 2012 Prius and a 2002 Civic hybrid. My wife was squeezing 60 MPG out of both... She's too chill of a driver for me but, man, she's efficient.
WOW 60MPG, that's great. Absolutely great. lol. I'd be incredibly happy with that. Best I could eek out of my civics was 52 (combined) on a long trip. (Average mid to upper 40s).
 
What I do find interesting is the prices of diesel. All the truck stops near me are $5.29 or $5.24 (cash or debit). But regular gas stations are now down in the $4.79 range and WalMart is $4.54. So our goods that move by trucks are going to cost more because of the higher prices at the truck stops. That sounds like gouging simply because they have room the big trucks to get in and out.

But it isn't always like this. Pre-runup they were only about 10-15 cents different and sometimes it was worth it to be able to put in 30 gallons in under a minute. :)
Diesel has gone up over here too quite a lot. Premium petrol (gas) costs less than bog standard, cheap diesel at the moment. Premium low sulphur diesel has hit stratospheric levels.
 
Diesel has gone up over here too quite a lot. Premium petrol (gas) costs less than bog standard, cheap diesel at the moment. Premium low sulphur diesel has hit stratospheric levels.

We only have the Low Sulphur over here. I think even the off-road stuff is Low Sulphur.
 
WOW 60MPG, that's great. Absolutely great. lol. I'd be incredibly happy with that. Best I could eek out of my civics was 52 (combined) on a long trip. (Average mid to upper 40s).
For a frame of reference, I was probably averaging 45MPG on the same cars. She never ever floors it. With our I3, I floor it all the time. It's so much fun.

That said, car prices went bonkers. Totally insane. I wanted to replace our I3 with. Sorento Plug-in. $51K MSRP for the top trim with ~$6.5K federal rebate, it and has 6 seats, so I could haul the in-laws too if they visited. Now, in reality there's only one for sale in my state and that is a used one for $53. Dealers buy these off for probably an employee discount, cash the federal rebate and then sell it so they get to drive a care for free or even at profit. WTF. I'm not contributing to this.

The only affordable serious EV on the market is the Bolt EUV (the bigger version of the original Bolt) and even that starts around 33K. And don't even get me started on the """$51K""" Ioniq 5 with the standard $6K dealer markup. Ford MachE dealers are even worse.
 
For a frame of reference, I was probably averaging 45MPG on the same cars. She never ever floors it. With our I3, I floor it all the time. It's so much fun.

A client of mine has a Prius. Probably similar in vintage to yours.

He swears he gets better "mileage" if he floors it off the line using the battery power to get up to speed, then the ICE kicks in. Sounds like he is FOS.
 
For a frame of reference, I was probably averaging 45MPG on the same cars. She never ever floors it. With our I3, I floor it all the time. It's so much fun.

That said, car prices went bonkers. Totally insane. I wanted to replace our I3 with. Sorento Plug-in. $51K MSRP for the top trim with ~$6.5K federal rebate, it and has 6 seats, so I could haul the in-laws too if they visited. Now, in reality there's only one for sale in my state and that is a used one for $53. Dealers buy these off for probably an employee discount, cash the federal rebate and then sell it so they get to drive a care for free or even at profit. WTF. I'm not contributing to this.

The only affordable serious EV on the market is the Bolt EUV (the bigger version of the original Bolt) and even that starts around 33K. And don't even get me started on the """$51K""" Ioniq 5 with the standard $6K dealer markup. Ford MachE dealers are even worse.
Do you have any control of wether the car uses batteries of the engine?
 
Do you have any control of wether the car uses batteries of the engine?
On the 2004 civic hybrid you cannot. On the 2012 Prius you have sport eco and ev mode. But ev mode only goes below 20mph and it goes for maybe 1.5mi? Not very useful, unless you’re in end to end traffic jam.
 
We recently drove approx 1100 miles, 2 days, 20:hrs or so on the road including stops, but not including spending the night half way. What would that have been like with an EV?

1100/23mpg= 48 gals X $4.30= $205.
 
We recently drove approx 1100 miles, 2 days, 20:hrs or so on the road including stops, but not including spending the night half way. What would that have been like with an EV?

1100/23mpg= 48 gals X $4.30= $205.
It’s hard to say unless you specify which EV. Just like different cars have different MPG, and gas prices can vary across the nation, different EVs have different range and different charging times.

Charging prices vary widely. I’ve found many free charging points, especially if you don’t need fast charging. But some fast-chargers are expensive (but still cheaper than gas at 23 MPG).
 
It’s hard to say unless you specify which EV. Just like different cars have different MPG, and gas prices can vary across the nation, different EVs have different range and different charging times.

Charging prices vary widely. I’ve found many free charging points, especially if you don’t need fast charging. But some fast-chargers are expensive (but still cheaper than gas at 23 MPG).
I was thinking in terms of time. Now if you can drive 500 miles on a single charge, and then a charging station is close to your hotel, I could see 2 days For this trip. How long would it take to charge for the next day And another 500 miles? And you probably are not in a situation where you would leave it there over night. So if you are tired you’d still have to wait for it to finish.it woukd be super if average hotels had charge stations at them or next door, within a block.
 
I was thinking in terms of time. Now if you can drive 500 miles on a single charge, and then a charging station is close to your hotel, I could see 2 days For this trip. How long would it take to charge for the next day And another 500 miles? And you probably are not in a situation where you would leave it there over night. So if you are tired you’d still have to wait for it to finish.it woukd be super if average hotels had charge stations at them or next door, within a block.
99% of EVs don’t have 500 mile range. Assume 250. But also assume you can charge to 80% in 30-45 minutes at a fast charger. So when you stop for lunch, pick a spot with a fast charger. And if you spend the night at a hotel, many have chargers. If staying with friends, you can charge with a regular electric outlet overnight too. You could do it in 2 days.

So every 5-6 hours, you’d stop for 30-45 minutes. Which is a pretty good idea regardless of the vehicle. Still, 20+ hours of driving in 2 days? Yikes…
 
99% of EVs don’t have 500 mile range. Assume 250. But also assume you can charge to 80% in 30-45 minutes at a fast charger. So when you stop for lunch, pick a spot with a fast charger. And if you spend the night at a hotel, many have chargers. If staying with friends, you can charge with a regular electric outlet overnight too. You could do it in 2 days.

So every 5-6 hours, you’d stop for 30-45 minutes. Which is a pretty good idea regardless of the vehicle. Still, 20+ hours of driving in 2 days? Yikes…
Just 20 Hrs. The interesting thing is that when you start for the day it will say something like 8:30 time for the desired distance, but then when you stop for gas you are adding typically 10-20 minutes per stop and it ends up more like 10 hrs per day. If I hit the road at 8am and get to the destination by 6 pm, this is doable.
 
The Tesla trip computer (just like Google maps - uses Google) - will let you type in a destination and it will auto-calculate when you need to charge safely (same for return trip). Now, if there are no Tesla superchargers - you can install apps like ChargePoint or EV America for third party charging points (usually charge a bit slower).

1000 miles in 2 days should be easy. We’ve done 500 miles in 1 day (3 superchargers in one day). But of course, I’m in California so even out in the middle of nowhere, a Tesla supercharger is within a ~30 min drive (Salton Sea for example).

But yeah, if there’s no charging stations, you’ll be out of luck - but the tesla trip computer will let you know if that’s the case. For any other EV manufacturer - good question - a lot of apps on your cellphone will do that trip computer stuff for EVs for free - which is pretty cool - but a lot of the third party EVs charge a bit slower and/or don’t have a lot of places to charge so there may be a wait.

At a 150KW Tesla supercharger - takes ~16+ mins to go from single digits to 80%. At a 250KW Supercharger, you can be on your way in 5-10 mins depending on your trip.
My BMW i3 built in navigation does that as well. But I like Zapp map which has a really good route planner. Yes it doesn't charge as quick as a Tesla, but 35-40 minutes is about as bad as it gets. Hardly an issue for me as I rarely drive more than 50 miles which it can do there and back with plenty to spare.
 
For a frame of reference, I was probably averaging 45MPG on the same cars. She never ever floors it. With our I3, I floor it all the time. It's so much fun.

That said, car prices went bonkers. Totally insane. I wanted to replace our I3 with. Sorento Plug-in. $51K MSRP for the top trim with ~$6.5K federal rebate, it and has 6 seats, so I could haul the in-laws too if they visited. Now, in reality there's only one for sale in my state and that is a used one for $53. Dealers buy these off for probably an employee discount, cash the federal rebate and then sell it so they get to drive a care for free or even at profit. WTF. I'm not contributing to this.

The only affordable serious EV on the market is the Bolt EUV (the bigger version of the original Bolt) and even that starts around 33K. And don't even get me started on the """$51K""" Ioniq 5 with the standard $6K dealer markup. Ford MachE dealers are even worse.
It certainly does make you smile. Especially in Sports mode!
 
Price in the Twin Cities (Mn) area is running $4.69/Gal. Never thought I’d call $4.49 a bargain which I found via the Gas Buddy App.
 
Price in the Twin Cities (Mn) area is running $4.69/Gal. Never thought I’d call $4.49 a bargain which I found via the Gas Buddy App.

Love that app. On our recent trip to Savannah, we used it to find the cheapest gas along the way.
 
Tipped over $8/gal in LA, we're approaching $7 here where I live. (mid $6.xx/gal) after Memorial Day holidays.

They're really seeing how much they can get before it's too much. Freeways still packed.
 
Tipped over $8/gal in LA, we're approaching $7 here where I live. (mid $6.xx/gal) after Memorial Day holidays.

They're really seeing how much they can get before it's too much. Freeways still packed.

It's not that bad in upstate NY, I saw signs for $4.39 the other day at a BJ's in Oneonta. But I'm paying $7 more per time to the guy who mows my lawn because I don't want him to decide that the bother of mowing around a lot of stuff and the cost of gas together might add up to "I don't feel like doing this any more". I've read that it's hard to get someone to do lawn care any more in various areas of the USA.
 
Tipped over $8/gal in LA, we're approaching $7 here where I live. (mid $6.xx/gal) after Memorial Day holidays.

They're really seeing how much they can get before it's too much. Freeways still packed.
The crazy thing about LA to me is that it’s a very “liberal” area, but they never seriously invested in public transportation. In NYC, you simply don’t need a car. In LA, you spend hours each day in one.
 
The crazy thing about LA to me is that it’s a very “liberal” area, but they never seriously invested in public transportation. In NYC, you simply don’t need a car. In LA, you spend hours each day in one.

But think about how spread out LA is compared to NYC. Would probably cost twice as much to begin with and then add in making it earthquake proof.
 
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